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by joyful1
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Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:
Mom2Haidyn wrote:
Mom2Haidyn wrote:DD didn't get juice until over a year.

DS is not quite 9 months, and will occasionally get juice (and I mean about 1/2 ounce of juice mixed with 6 or 7 ounce of water...so waaaaayyyyy diluted) just to give him some encouragement to drink. We're having major feeding issues with him and the pedi is concerned about dehydration with the amount of fluid he's taking in. I also never put juice in a bottle. In my house, the bottle is for formula or breastmilk only. All other drinks (juice, water, milk) are given in a sippy cup (or regular cup now for DD).


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I just wanted to add to this: We are currently on WIC until we can get back on our feet, and I was SHOCKED at the amount of juice provided to us by that program. You know why so many people think that juice is a healthy part of a child's diet? Because programs like WIC, which are supposed to provide families with healthy, supplemental foods, provide huge amounts of the stuff every month (2 half-gallon containers per month JUST for my 2-year-old).

The first month I used it, I attempted to skip the juice, because I do not use that much juice for my entire family, let alone my DD alone, but I quickly found that if I did not purchase the juice, I was not allowed to purchase anything else on that particular check (which also contained milk, bread, eggs, and cheese).


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Your grocer is wrong. You can purchase as much of the stuff from the WIC check as you choose. I very rarely get everything from a check (we can't fit the amount of milk and eggs they give), and I always skip the juice. I would look further into that, because that is a rule I have never heard of.

Oh, and ITA about the terrible message WIC sends with it supposedly healthy options. :(


I've been on WIC, too, in both WI and FL and it is absolutely not mandatory to get everything on the check.
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by SchultziePie
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joyful1 wrote:
Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:
Mom2Haidyn wrote:
Mom2Haidyn wrote:DD didn't get juice until over a year.

DS is not quite 9 months, and will occasionally get juice (and I mean about 1/2 ounce of juice mixed with 6 or 7 ounce of water...so waaaaayyyyy diluted) just to give him some encouragement to drink. We're having major feeding issues with him and the pedi is concerned about dehydration with the amount of fluid he's taking in. I also never put juice in a bottle. In my house, the bottle is for formula or breastmilk only. All other drinks (juice, water, milk) are given in a sippy cup (or regular cup now for DD).


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I just wanted to add to this: We are currently on WIC until we can get back on our feet, and I was SHOCKED at the amount of juice provided to us by that program. You know why so many people think that juice is a healthy part of a child's diet? Because programs like WIC, which are supposed to provide families with healthy, supplemental foods, provide huge amounts of the stuff every month (2 half-gallon containers per month JUST for my 2-year-old).

The first month I used it, I attempted to skip the juice, because I do not use that much juice for my entire family, let alone my DD alone, but I quickly found that if I did not purchase the juice, I was not allowed to purchase anything else on that particular check (which also contained milk, bread, eggs, and cheese).


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Your grocer is wrong. You can purchase as much of the stuff from the WIC check as you choose. I very rarely get everything from a check (we can't fit the amount of milk and eggs they give), and I always skip the juice. I would look further into that, because that is a rule I have never heard of.

Oh, and ITA about the terrible message WIC sends with it supposedly healthy options. :(


I've been on WIC, too, in both WI and FL and it is absolutely not mandatory to get everything on the check.


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by joyful1
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Mom2Haidyn wrote:
Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:
Mom2Haidyn wrote:
Mom2Haidyn wrote:DD didn't get juice until over a year.

DS is not quite 9 months, and will occasionally get juice (and I mean about 1/2 ounce of juice mixed with 6 or 7 ounce of water...so waaaaayyyyy diluted) just to give him some encouragement to drink. We're having major feeding issues with him and the pedi is concerned about dehydration with the amount of fluid he's taking in. I also never put juice in a bottle. In my house, the bottle is for formula or breastmilk only. All other drinks (juice, water, milk) are given in a sippy cup (or regular cup now for DD).



I just wanted to add to this: We are currently on WIC until we can get back on our feet, and I was SHOCKED at the amount of juice provided to us by that program. You know why so many people think that juice is a healthy part of a child's diet? Because programs like WIC, which are supposed to provide families with healthy, supplemental foods, provide huge amounts of the stuff every month (2 half-gallon containers per month JUST for my 2-year-old).

The first month I used it, I attempted to skip the juice, because I do not use that much juice for my entire family, let alone my DD alone, but I quickly found that if I did not purchase the juice, I was not allowed to purchase anything else on that particular check (which also contained milk, bread, eggs, and cheese).


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Your grocer is wrong. You can purchase as much of the stuff from the WIC check as you choose. I very rarely get everything from a check (we can't fit the amount of milk and eggs they give), and I always skip the juice. I would look further into that, because that is a rule I have never heard of.

Oh, and ITA about the terrible message WIC sends with it supposedly healthy options. :(


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I was actually told the same thing by the nutritionist at the WIC office when they gave me my checks last time. Maybe it's just a NY thing?

*ETA Ours are broken up...like we get 3.25 gallons of milk per month, but there is a gallon each on 2 seperate checks, and a gallon and a quart on another. But some things are combined, such as 1 gallon of milk, one contain of juice, bread, eggs, and cheese all on one check.

I now get the juice and donate it to our local food pantry or DD's school.


Must be a NY thing, then, because the checks I would get sound exactly like yours.
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by Teirza
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jazizzle wrote:
Teirza wrote:
jazizzle wrote:
They are 9,8 and 6 now and healthy. All those little things I worried about when they were babies doesn't really seem to matter too much in the end.

j.


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I don't really consider the formation of my child's diet to be "a little thing." And that part of your reply is a little....hoitty toitty. Or something. Like those who would worry about it are over concerned about unimportant things.

No it doesn't matter to a 9yo, but to a 6 month old, it can effect the child's overall health. There is also the question of the long term shaping of the child's tastes, whether giving juice will make the child crave sugar more than is healthy. It is an unnecessary addition to their diet so why give it. Asking that question doesn't make me or any other who ponder it too focused on little thing that don't matter. To me, right now, it is an issue that does matter in my child's life at this stage.


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Wasn't meant to be "hoitty toitty" at all. I do believe that the formation of a child's diet is important - that's why I *did* water their juice down when they were little. I was talking more of a generalization about smaller things that *don't* really matter in the long run because yes, I think some people are too over concerned or make a bigger deal over with some little things than is necessary. Since my kids are older now - I have the benefit of hindsight to see what was beneficial to them at that young age, and also what wasn't a huge deal and didn't effect them negatively in the long run.
I was MUCH more concerned about small things with my oldest - he didn't have sugar until a year - I made sure he was off a bottle by a year, and I watered down his juice until he was 3. I was not nearly as strict with the second one - and he's turned out to be just as fine, and in a lot of ways is better with his diet.


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I totally didn't see this reply.

Perhaps I was reading hoitty toitty b/c I've been trapped in the house and have been going insane. But Books and Blocks and Subway have seemed to set me straight. And the need to run to Krogers and the potential for Chinese for dinner....I may never read hoitty toitty again. I'm a changed woman.
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by joyful1
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There is a difference between a single cup of juice at 14 months or two cups at 3 years vs. two 8-10oz bottles full of straight juice daily at 7 months. My first post was pointed a the latter.

Yes, guidelines change, and to each his own, but if your 7 month-old is guzzling juice out of a bottle all day, there are marked health concerns. Having a never ending bottle of juice (or even milk or both) can wreak havoc on appetite and baby teeth.
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by SeaChele
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Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:
SeaChele wrote:
Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:
SeaChele wrote:
Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:We don't do juice. And, I can't even imagine giving it to a baby under a year! I'm admittedly a bit strict when it comes to sugar and my kids, but juice really has no benefit, IMO. It is liquid sugar for the most part. Even 100% juice is not really good for kids, just better than soda. We do water and milk, and juice is viewed as a 'special treat'.

It is disturbing that Dr.s are suggesting juice so young. Makes me sad, really.

And, juice from a bottle? All I can think of is, those poor teeth!


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Better than soda, better than kool-aid, better than alot of other drinks (minus milk and water). Before I started to type I went to double check my labels (which I'm pretty strict about) and my juice is 100% juice and has no added sugar or HFCS. Comparable to eating the fruit! Also the V-8 Fusion is an easy way for *me* to get veggies into my son. no added sugar or HFCS and has serving of veggies. So while my kids do not get juice *ALL* the time, it does have its benefits.


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But, it is not at all comparable to eating the fruit. It is simply the sugary juice of the fruit. None of the skin or pulp, which contain the vast majority of health benefits, are included in juice. It may say on the bottle that it contains a serving of fruit or veggies, but in actuality that is what they used to make it, and they are not taking into account what was disposed of in the process.


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Not exactly like eating the fruit, but yes comparable b/c you're still getting the vitamins. and the sugar in the 100% juice is fruit (natural) sugar, not processed or added sugar. So yes IA that eating a piece of fruit is more healthy than only drinking the juice, but the juice does have benefits and a cup or two in the day will not harm a childs health.

Actually an ariticle I just read:
"research from the University of Massachusetts Lowell (UML) indicates that apple juice consumption may actually increase the production in the brain of the essential neurotransmitter acetylcholine, resulting in improved memory. Neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine are chemicals released from nerve cells that transmit messages to other nerve cells. Such communication between nerve cells is vital for good health, not just in the brain, but throughout the body"


No, I'm not trying to say Apple (Grape, Orange) juice should be served at every meal, but juice does have benefits (including Vit C to boost the immue system, extra fiber, antioxidants) that promote, not detour, good health.


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I guess my point is that it has no *added* benefits. Nothing you can't get from the fruit itself. And, given the calorie and sugar content, I just can't compare it to whole fruit or veggies. It's like the vitamin waters. Sure, they are full of vitamins that are healthy. But, the drink itself is full of sugar, and is not healthy. So, I just choose to get the vitamins from whole food option, not the drink.

And, I am speaking strictly to store bought juices. Not fresh squeezed/juiced at home.


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Again, I have to disagree.

Medium Apple: 72-95 calories (depending on source) and apx 17g of sugar
8oz of 100% Apple Juice: 110 calories and 19g of sugar.

So, like many have said here, 4-6oz is what we give - so it would actually be *less* than the actual apple. Yes, the apple has more pulp and rind with other benefits that the juice does not give. I'm using Apple for this example, but I do know other fruit juices have higher sugar content than the fruit. That is why checking labels is so important. But then you throw a banana in the mix which is the highest caloric fruit with over 100 calories and apx 16g of sugar - if you look at ONLY those numbers... why eat bananas?

But my point that is juice does have benefits (in moderation)! Just like fruit, meat, eggs, etc - juice can be healthy. Yes, even the store bought kind.

ETA: I do agree about the *added* benefit. But some juices do have added vitamins -again, labels are important.
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by SeaChele
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joyful1 wrote:There is a difference between a single cup of juice at 14 months or two cups at 3 years vs. two 8-10oz bottles full of straight juice daily at 7 months. My first post was pointed a the latter.

Yes, guidelines change, and to each his own, but if your 7 month-old is guzzling juice out of a bottle all day, there are marked health concerns. Having a never ending bottle of juice (or even milk or both) can wreak havoc on appetite and baby teeth.


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Yes, ITA!
My little brother got juice and even *gasp* kool-aid out of a bottle (slap my mother. lOL) and he had terrible teeth. His two front teeth had to be capped and eventually pulled before the age of 5.
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by Mischa&Kaya's Mommy
Posts 2016
SeaChele wrote:
Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:
SeaChele wrote:
Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:
SeaChele wrote:
Mischa&Kaya's Mommy wrote:We don't do juice. And, I can't even imagine giving it to a baby under a year! I'm admittedly a bit strict when it comes to sugar and my kids, but juice really has no benefit, IMO. It is liquid sugar for the most part. Even 100% juice is not really good for kids, just better than soda. We do water and milk, and juice is viewed as a 'special treat'.

It is disturbing that Dr.s are suggesting juice so young. Makes me sad, really.

And, juice from a bottle? All I can think of is, those poor teeth!


<br/><br/>

Better than soda, better than kool-aid, better than alot of other drinks (minus milk and water). Before I started to type I went to double check my labels (which I'm pretty strict about) and my juice is 100% juice and has no added sugar or HFCS. Comparable to eating the fruit! Also the V-8 Fusion is an easy way for *me* to get veggies into my son. no added sugar or HFCS and has serving of veggies. So while my kids do not get juice *ALL* the time, it does have its benefits.


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But, it is not at all comparable to eating the fruit. It is simply the sugary juice of the fruit. None of the skin or pulp, which contain the vast majority of health benefits, are included in juice. It may say on the bottle that it contains a serving of fruit or veggies, but in actuality that is what they used to make it, and they are not taking into account what was disposed of in the process.


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Not exactly like eating the fruit, but yes comparable b/c you're still getting the vitamins. and the sugar in the 100% juice is fruit (natural) sugar, not processed or added sugar. So yes IA that eating a piece of fruit is more healthy than only drinking the juice, but the juice does have benefits and a cup or two in the day will not harm a childs health.

Actually an ariticle I just read:
"research from the University of Massachusetts Lowell (UML) indicates that apple juice consumption may actually increase the production in the brain of the essential neurotransmitter acetylcholine, resulting in improved memory. Neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine are chemicals released from nerve cells that transmit messages to other nerve cells. Such communication between nerve cells is vital for good health, not just in the brain, but throughout the body"


No, I'm not trying to say Apple (Grape, Orange) juice should be served at every meal, but juice does have benefits (including Vit C to boost the immue system, extra fiber, antioxidants) that promote, not detour, good health.


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I guess my point is that it has no *added* benefits. Nothing you can't get from the fruit itself. And, given the calorie and sugar content, I just can't compare it to whole fruit or veggies. It's like the vitamin waters. Sure, they are full of vitamins that are healthy. But, the drink itself is full of sugar, and is not healthy. So, I just choose to get the vitamins from whole food option, not the drink.

And, I am speaking strictly to store bought juices. Not fresh squeezed/juiced at home.


<br/><br/>

Again, I have to disagree.

Medium Apple: 72-95 calories (depending on source) and apx 17g of sugar
8oz of 100% Apple Juice: 110 calories and 19g of sugar.

So, like many have said here, 4-6oz is what we give - so it would actually be *less* than the actual apple. Yes, the apple has more pulp and rind with other benefits that the juice does not give. I'm using Apple for this example, but I do know other fruit juices have higher sugar content than the fruit. That is why checking labels is so important. But then you throw a banana in the mix which is the highest caloric fruit with over 100 calories and apx 16g of sugar - if you look at ONLY those numbers... why eat bananas?

But my point that is juice does have benefits (in moderation)! Just like fruit, meat, eggs, etc - juice can be healthy. Yes, even the store bought kind.


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Again, I am not comparing. Because in my eyes, they are not comparable. The other benefits you get when eating the whole fruit are just not found in the juice. So, to me, it is empty calories. No reason for it. I am not going strictly off calories and sugar, by any means. I am going off of health benefits. Here is a good link:

http://healthland.time.com/2009/08/07/calorie-counter-fruit-vs-fruit-juice/
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by <julie>
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helen, most peds ask what baby is eating and drinking and with what frequency. then they inject their own (often flawed) opinions about what we parents should and should not feed baby.

it's not holier-than-thou to answer a question about how and when we give juice with an honest reply. there are good, studied reasons NOT to give juice on a daily basis.
-sugar
-calories
-palate changing
-habit-forming
-preservatives and additives
-digestive stress (too much acid)
-dental issues

i don't judge the fitness of a parent by the amount of juice they serve- but i do have an opinion about the merit of it- and, i think it's a big mistake to give juice in bottles.


chele, it doesn't take many apples to make juice! i put them in seeds and all. like carrot juice, fresh apple juice has amazing flavor, but loses flavor quickly (we don't keep it for more than an hour) so i make only what we'll drink right away.
-Julie

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by joyful1
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This thread is making me want to buy a juicer so bad.
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by joyful1
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<julie> wrote:helen, most peds ask what baby is eating and drinking and with what frequency. then they inject their own (often flawed) opinions about what we parents should and should not feed baby.

it's not holier-than-thou to answer a question about how and when we give juice with an honest reply. there are good, studied reasons NOT to give juice on a daily basis.
-sugar
-calories
-palate changing
-habit-forming
-preservatives and additives
-digestive stress (too much acid)
-dental issues

i don't judge the fitness of a parent by the amount of juice they serve- but i do have an opinion about the merit of it- and, i think it's a big mistake to give juice in bottles.


chele, it doesn't take many apples to make juice! i put them in seeds and all. like carrot juice, fresh apple juice has amazing flavor, but loses flavor quickly (we don't keep it for more than an hour) so i make only what we'll drink right away.


I suppose it's important to remember not all juices given to children have preservatives or additives, extra calories or sugar. Not all juice is created equal, although IA that juice should not be given in bottles and at full strength at less than a year old.
~Cori

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by mum2one
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joyful1 wrote:
<julie> wrote:helen, most peds ask what baby is eating and drinking and with what frequency. then they inject their own (often flawed) opinions about what we parents should and should not feed baby.

it's not holier-than-thou to answer a question about how and when we give juice with an honest reply. there are good, studied reasons NOT to give juice on a daily basis.
-sugar
-calories
-palate changing
-habit-forming
-preservatives and additives
-digestive stress (too much acid)
-dental issues

i don't judge the fitness of a parent by the amount of juice they serve- but i do have an opinion about the merit of it- and, i think it's a big mistake to give juice in bottles.


chele, it doesn't take many apples to make juice! i put them in seeds and all. like carrot juice, fresh apple juice has amazing flavor, but loses flavor quickly (we don't keep it for more than an hour) so i make only what we'll drink right away.


I suppose it's important to remember not all juices given to children have preservatives or additives, extra calories or sugar. Not all juice is created equal, although IA that juice should not be given in bottles and at full strength, at less than a year old.


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Exactly Cori! The juice that I buy is orange juice. Period. No added sugar, no preservatives, nothing added to it.
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by <julie>
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joyful1 wrote:This thread is making me want to buy a juicer so bad.


do it! i loved mine to death lol. just be sure to check a lot of review sites, there are some really crappy juicers out there (including the big name brands!)
-Julie

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by <julie>
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mum2one wrote:
joyful1 wrote:
<julie> wrote:helen, most peds ask what baby is eating and drinking and with what frequency. then they inject their own (often flawed) opinions about what we parents should and should not feed baby.

it's not holier-than-thou to answer a question about how and when we give juice with an honest reply. there are good, studied reasons NOT to give juice on a daily basis.
-sugar
-calories
-palate changing
-habit-forming
-preservatives and additives
-digestive stress (too much acid)
-dental issues

i don't judge the fitness of a parent by the amount of juice they serve- but i do have an opinion about the merit of it- and, i think it's a big mistake to give juice in bottles.


chele, it doesn't take many apples to make juice! i put them in seeds and all. like carrot juice, fresh apple juice has amazing flavor, but loses flavor quickly (we don't keep it for more than an hour) so i make only what we'll drink right away.


I suppose it's important to remember not all juices given to children have preservatives or additives, extra calories or sugar. Not all juice is created equal, although IA that juice should not be given in bottles and at full strength, at less than a year old.


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Exactly Cori! The juice that I buy is orange juice. Period. No added sugar, no preservatives, nothing added to it.


the sugars i'm referring to are fruit sugars. many (if not most) non-refrigerated juices have added ascorbic acid. and apple juice has lead in it.
-Julie

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by mum2one
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<julie> wrote:
mum2one wrote:
joyful1 wrote:
<julie> wrote:helen, most peds ask what baby is eating and drinking and with what frequency. then they inject their own (often flawed) opinions about what we parents should and should not feed baby.

it's not holier-than-thou to answer a question about how and when we give juice with an honest reply. there are good, studied reasons NOT to give juice on a daily basis.
-sugar
-calories
-palate changing
-habit-forming
-preservatives and additives
-digestive stress (too much acid)
-dental issues

i don't judge the fitness of a parent by the amount of juice they serve- but i do have an opinion about the merit of it- and, i think it's a big mistake to give juice in bottles.


chele, it doesn't take many apples to make juice! i put them in seeds and all. like carrot juice, fresh apple juice has amazing flavor, but loses flavor quickly (we don't keep it for more than an hour) so i make only what we'll drink right away.


I suppose it's important to remember not all juices given to children have preservatives or additives, extra calories or sugar. Not all juice is created equal, although IA that juice should not be given in bottles and at full strength, at less than a year old.


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Exactly Cori! The juice that I buy is orange juice. Period. No added sugar, no preservatives, nothing added to it.


the sugars i'm referring to are fruit sugars. many (if not most) non-refrigerated juices have added ascorbic acid. and apple juice has lead in it.


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But those aren't the only juices out there. (Ok, I'll say it! TMI warning for the following.)

I can't drink apple juice. Gives me HORRID . . . toilet issues. So I don't buy it. And I only buy refrigerated juices. But really? I don't mind fruit sugars. I also don't mind sugar sugars either, in moderation. (Hell, I just ate a pixie stick! lol) Fake sugars? Hell no.

I think the important thing is moderation. Does ds drink juice all day? No. Heck, he doesn't even drink it every day. I just find it funny that people have such issues with juice as sugars & the calories when you're looking at the same thing with milk, but people have no issue with milk!
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by mommy2elijah
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Can't quote, but Seachele, yes, I shudder to think of how many apples it would take to juice a gallon! I only juice a serving at a time and will do a couple apples and use more juice-yielding fruits and veggies, such as cucumber, watermelon, etc, along with it. Beets surprised me with their yield, as well.

AFA benefits of juice vs. simply eating the fruit: IA that grabbing the fruit and eating it or making a smoothie is the ideal, but sometimes the juice is more convenient. Also, organic fruits and veggies are pretty rare finds around my small town, but I can often more easily find organic juices. That's not a deal-breaker for everyone, but buying organic is important to my family.

Sorry for any possible typos - using my iPhone to respond in the car.

ETA: I completely agree about the issues with sugars in milk. My ds's dentist warned us right away to limit juice AND milk before he even asked us what ds typically drinks.

And about WIC: I remember years ago my sister being on the WIC program and giving a lot of her groceries to my mom because it was simply more than they could consume and not getting it meant they would be removed from the program. The same was true for my brother about five years ago.
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by <julie>
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i do have issues with milk. but at least milk doesn't contain the extra sugars, preservatives, and - lead!
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by mommy2elijah
Posts 2463
<julie> wrote:i do have issues with milk. but at least milk doesn't contain the extra sugars, preservatives, and - lead!


Actually, milk contains components that break down as sugars. This is what was told to me by our dentist, anyway. We do organic milk at home. There is quite a bit of extra gunk found in non-organic.
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by joyful1
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<julie> wrote:
mum2one wrote:
joyful1 wrote:
<julie> wrote:helen, most peds ask what baby is eating and drinking and with what frequency. then they inject their own (often flawed) opinions about what we parents should and should not feed baby.

it's not holier-than-thou to answer a question about how and when we give juice with an honest reply. there are good, studied reasons NOT to give juice on a daily basis.
-sugar
-calories
-palate changing
-habit-forming
-preservatives and additives
-digestive stress (too much acid)
-dental issues

i don't judge the fitness of a parent by the amount of juice they serve- but i do have an opinion about the merit of it- and, i think it's a big mistake to give juice in bottles.


chele, it doesn't take many apples to make juice! i put them in seeds and all. like carrot juice, fresh apple juice has amazing flavor, but loses flavor quickly (we don't keep it for more than an hour) so i make only what we'll drink right away.


I suppose it's important to remember not all juices given to children have preservatives or additives, extra calories or sugar. Not all juice is created equal, although IA that juice should not be given in bottles and at full strength, at less than a year old.


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Exactly Cori! The juice that I buy is orange juice. Period. No added sugar, no preservatives, nothing added to it.


the sugars i'm referring to are fruit sugars. many (if not most) non-refrigerated juices have added ascorbic acid. and apple juice has lead in it.


Even certain organic apple juices have been found to have lead so I know what you mean. I don't have a problem with actual fruit sugars from juice or milk sugars given in moderation for the child's age and appetite.

I also only do organic milk and refrigerated juices.

And if you have any juicer suggestions, I'll gladly take them :)
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mommy2elijah wrote:
<julie> wrote:i do have issues with milk. but at least milk doesn't contain the extra sugars, preservatives, and - lead!


Actually, milk contains components that break down as sugars. This is what was told to me by our dentist, anyway. We do organic milk at home. There is quite a bit of extra gunk found in non-organic.


fruit sugars contribute to obesity and high cholesterol far and beyond milk sugars. also, fruit juices are more damaging to baby teeth because of the acid (enamel erosion). but i limit milk consumption to one glass, just like juice.
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Cade is 8 1/2 now so I don't remember when he first had juice. I'm thinking it wasn't until after his first birthday because that's when I started phasing out his bottle and really introducing a sippy cup. I never watered down the juice I gave him but I did look at labels. I tried to buy just 100% juice. Some days he got no juice, some days he may have had 1-2 sippies of juice in between sippies of water and milk... I don't remember. I don't think I ruined him with juice introduction, I think it was introducing McDonalds & other fast foods when I was really sick and couldn't get it together to make good meals. He went from a fantastic healthy eater to wanting crap all the time. He still has great teeth and I'll keep my fingers crossed they stay that way.

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funny thing is people on the TWoP board for Teen Mom 2 were talking about the moms giving their kids juice in bottles too. I hadn't even noticed when I watched. I think Cory's hat was too distracting.And Jenelle's hickeys.
Like others without little ones at home, I don't remember when I let them start having juice. I'd guess after a year. They didn't have the in bottles. I remember watering it down for a long time. I know it was 100% juice for a really long time. Until they realized Daddy was drinking Gatorade and they wanted what he had.
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Mom2Haidyn wrote:

The first month I used it, I attempted to skip the juice, because I do not use that much juice for my entire family, let alone my DD alone, but I quickly found that if I did not purchase the juice, I was not allowed to purchase anything else on that particular check (which also contained milk, bread, eggs, and cheese).


That's odd. I've never seen a place that wouldn't let you get anything if you didn't get one item. I've forgotten stuff before and they just ask "did you want ___" and I'd say no, so they'd ring it up. Weird.
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For the person looking for juicers...depending on your budget there are a variety of juicers out there. The simple citrus kind, which obviously only does citrus, those particular ones are rather inexpensive. There are masticating ones like the champion, which runs you about 400-800 bucks. There are centrifugal(sp) ones like what I have(Breville) and they are kinda in the middle range, depending again on the gadgets it includes. Mine does not juice wheat or lemon grasses, or make nut butters like some of the fancier types. I do go thru spurts using mine..I can quickly fill up my fridge with produce and just as fast, reduce it. Depending on the types of juices you want to make juicing can become rather "pricey" or relatively inexpensive. For women pregnant or nursing it would be advised to maybe purchase a juice recipe book because some of the juice combos that you might come up with can have a "Detoxifying" affect which isn't ideal for those pg or nursing as the toxins you may bring out can leach into the breastmilk, blood stream before exiting the body.
my regular juice combo is spinach/carrot/apple/celery. it doesn't look very pretty but it sure tastes nice..at least to me lol.

I am saving my pennies to get me a vitamix blender so I can play around with so many more fun domestic things :)
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ArielnAudreysmom wrote:funny thing is people on the TWoP board for Teen Mom 2 were talking about the moms giving their kids juice in bottles too. I hadn't even noticed when I watched. I think Cory's hat was too distracting.And Jenelle's hickeys.


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You mean the "My brim of my hat is so curled that it only covers my unibrow" look he has going on with it?

I do hope the best for those two though. I think they're the Macy and uh....if Macy had a responsible person to partner with.
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